Ever equate wanting money with greed? Guest Elise Loehnen takes us into her new, forthcoming book On Our Best Behavior: The Price Women Pay to Be Good, where she explores ancient ideas of morality that still control and distort women’s lives and financial decisions today.

About Elise: She is a writer, editor, and podcast host who lives in Los Angeles with her husband, Rob, and their two sons, Max and Sam. She is the host of Pulling the Thread, a podcast focused on pulling apart the stories we tell about who we are—and then putting those threads back together.